Riverside QB Dalton Livingston
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There is a huge difference between 6'0 and 6'1 (a lot more than an inch
). Most QB's listed at 6'0 are really 5'11 ish. I would bet that there are less than 5 D1 pro style starting QB's at D1 (FBS) schools.
I would bet that there are not even many more that are on scholarship. (D1, pro style, listed as 6'0 or under)
I would bet that there are not even many more that are on scholarship. (D1, pro style, listed as 6'0 or under)
Back to football? What's wrong RefHeckler? We're just having fun. You DO like to have fun don't you?
Cali, you saying this Livingston kid is under 6-0? If not, then the difference between a legit 6-1 and a legit 6-0 is not noticeable in how it would affect a QB's ability to do the job, any more than 6-4 is to 6-5. Maybe you are saying that D1 coaches think that 6-1 is on the fringe of being OK, but 6-0 is out. Is that it?
Of course, we know Refheckler's problem is more like comparing 6-0 to 6-6.
Of course, we know Refheckler's problem is more like comparing 6-0 to 6-6.
I don't know exactly how tall Livingston is, but he is listed at Utah at 6'0.
There is no doubt that he is a very, very good college QB. His 21-1 record speaks for itself. That's great on any level.
The main topic of this thread is why he did not get a D1 scholarship offer. And I would say it's soley based on his height. We've seen several 6'3 QB's get offered, some who did not even start or play in a game. Yet they get offered based on potential and size. Is it fair no.....but it is real.
Hopefully he'll get a shot at Utah. I think he could get the job done....problem is the depth chart is pretty loaded there for awhile. Nothing wrong with what he's done so far though.
There is no doubt that he is a very, very good college QB. His 21-1 record speaks for itself. That's great on any level.
The main topic of this thread is why he did not get a D1 scholarship offer. And I would say it's soley based on his height. We've seen several 6'3 QB's get offered, some who did not even start or play in a game. Yet they get offered based on potential and size. Is it fair no.....but it is real.
Hopefully he'll get a shot at Utah. I think he could get the job done....problem is the depth chart is pretty loaded there for awhile. Nothing wrong with what he's done so far though.
Yeah, fair enough. There sure seems to be a lot of controversy around this kid for some reason. Looks like he was first team All California for two years. It is surprising that he didn't get anything. I read another jc website where a guy who calls himself the Mounties Man (must be from W. VA) was trashing this kid. Since the guy claimed to be some recruiting guru, I googled up some highlights. Livingston has great film and looks like he can make all the reads and definitely all the throws. Even his high school videos were good. The Mounties Man said he didn't have an arm, and the kid has a gun. Film don't lie. I'd agree that he can get the job done at this level. His height probably really hurt his recruiting. Reading what the Mounties Man said and trying to reconcile it with what I watched and all of Livingston's success just brought me to the conclusion that the Mounties Man is either a real tool or he seriously hates this kid or maybe both. I would love to see this kid get a shot, make good and shut that guy's pie hole. If he's a W. VA guy, he outta stick to critiquing something he knows about, like moonshine.
Who cares what the illrelavent fan thinks. His is just another opinioned fan
..lol
The more important opinions rest with the 120 some D-1 schools that passed on the kid.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NCAA_Division_I_FBS_football_programs
Question- Why is it such a big deal to not want to play at a solid D-2 and the parents could save a boatload of money.
The more important opinions rest with the 120 some D-1 schools that passed on the kid.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NCAA_Division_I_FBS_football_programs
Question- Why is it such a big deal to not want to play at a solid D-2 and the parents could save a boatload of money.
Are you saying 120 D1 schools passed on this guy? You don't know a whole lot about recruiting, do you? I get the controversy about why he didn't get something, even a D2. Was he offered a D2 opportunity? If not, then something is wrong. I think you are saying that you think he could be a D2 player, but not a D1 player, but you've said some other things that kind of made me wonder about your motivations.
The debate here is about this kid's height. That's all. I've watched his film. No doubt he can play the position. He won 21 games. 21! He's got a great arm. He has high school video throwing it 60 yards. He was a highly decorated player in junior college. The Mounties Man doesn't say that. He says he can't play. He says he had a GPA under a C. That is no opinion. And it can't be right or he would not be attending the school he is now. Your defense of the Mounties Man as just another opinionated fan implicates you in this controversy. For example, earlier in this thread someone mentioned Brees and his height. Go look at your post. Something like, "yeah but Brees had a strong support system at home". It looks like you are doing the Mounties Man thing, which is to make the kid look bad on all fronts. If that's not it then what is it? It all kind of makes people wonder what kind of support system you guys had at home. Know what I mean?
You imply that Livingston made a mistake by rejecting a D2 opportunity. Do you know that or just assume it? In any case, it's his life, not ours and his family should be able to do whatever they feel is best without public scrutiny.
So can we get back to discussing the huge difference between 6-1 and 6-0 or should we reopen that conversation about why all the girls call you "Tiny Tim"?
The debate here is about this kid's height. That's all. I've watched his film. No doubt he can play the position. He won 21 games. 21! He's got a great arm. He has high school video throwing it 60 yards. He was a highly decorated player in junior college. The Mounties Man doesn't say that. He says he can't play. He says he had a GPA under a C. That is no opinion. And it can't be right or he would not be attending the school he is now. Your defense of the Mounties Man as just another opinionated fan implicates you in this controversy. For example, earlier in this thread someone mentioned Brees and his height. Go look at your post. Something like, "yeah but Brees had a strong support system at home". It looks like you are doing the Mounties Man thing, which is to make the kid look bad on all fronts. If that's not it then what is it? It all kind of makes people wonder what kind of support system you guys had at home. Know what I mean?
You imply that Livingston made a mistake by rejecting a D2 opportunity. Do you know that or just assume it? In any case, it's his life, not ours and his family should be able to do whatever they feel is best without public scrutiny.
So can we get back to discussing the huge difference between 6-1 and 6-0 or should we reopen that conversation about why all the girls call you "Tiny Tim"?
Actually the girls calling him Tiny Tim could be a compliment. TT was a famous singer years ago:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiny_Tim_(musician)
I still sing "tip toe through the tulips" while taking a shower sometimes.
But back to topic.....if your a QB and your 6'0 you better run a 4.4 forty to go D1 on a scholarship. At 6'3 you just need potential.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiny_Tim_(musician)
I still sing "tip toe through the tulips" while taking a shower sometimes.
But back to topic.....if your a QB and your 6'0 you better run a 4.4 forty to go D1 on a scholarship. At 6'3 you just need potential.
Good thing Kellen Moore didn't have you for an advisor...
You are right about the guys with potential. I always find it interesting when some kid with good size gets offered and the knock on him is arm strength. They say he'll be better when he gains more strength in his arm. Impossible. Strong arms are just like height. You either have it or you don't, and there's no changing what you were born with.
Take RefHeckler, for example. Sorry. Couldn't help myself there...
You are right about the guys with potential. I always find it interesting when some kid with good size gets offered and the knock on him is arm strength. They say he'll be better when he gains more strength in his arm. Impossible. Strong arms are just like height. You either have it or you don't, and there's no changing what you were born with.
Take RefHeckler, for example. Sorry. Couldn't help myself there...
Yes sir.....Kellen Moore .....one of the 5 starting D1 pro style QB'S at 6'0 or under.
BTW...he's actually 5'116
BTW...he's actually 5'116
Who are the other 4? And how do these 5 guys start in front of these 6-3 guys who have so much potential?
Good point....not sure....just pulled that number out of sky.....Russell Wilson, Kellen Moore......maybe thats it......maybe none for 2012.
This thread is now on it's second page. It is a controversial topic and fun to debate. So I ask again, is 6-1 on the fringe for D1 coaches while 6-0 is "too short"?
The Mounties Man trashed the kid yet again on that other site today. Not that it matters because that server stays down more than its up. Pretty amateurish all the way around, it seems. The Mounties Man sure holds a personal grudge on this kid. Must have really gotten hit in the balls at some point. Wonder if Riverside beating Mount San Antonio is at the root of the hate campaign? Trashing kids who are obvious winners only hurts the guy's credibility, but then again it's not like he is a junior college talent scouting expert or something.
Cali, did you run off RefHeckler?
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The Mounties Man trashed the kid yet again on that other site today. Not that it matters because that server stays down more than its up. Pretty amateurish all the way around, it seems. The Mounties Man sure holds a personal grudge on this kid. Must have really gotten hit in the balls at some point. Wonder if Riverside beating Mount San Antonio is at the root of the hate campaign? Trashing kids who are obvious winners only hurts the guy's credibility, but then again it's not like he is a junior college talent scouting expert or something.
Cali, did you run off RefHeckler?
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This has got to be the all time record for a thread on this site.
I think 6'2 is on the D1 fringe for a pro style QB.
Ref must have another movie coming up. I hear they are making Brokeback Mountain 2........starring Mountieman and Ref Heckler
I think 6'2 is on the D1 fringe for a pro style QB.
Ref must have another movie coming up. I hear they are making Brokeback Mountain 2........starring Mountieman and Ref Heckler
That could take forever. That site of theirs is down half the time. Like all businesses, poor management will get you every time.
I think you're stretching it to say that 6-2 is on the fringe. There are too many guys who have had or still are having careers in the NFL at 6-2. Ryan Fitzpatrick (Buffalo), Andy Dalton (Cincinnatti), Tony Romo (Dallas), Matthew Stafford (Detroit), Matt Flynn (Seattle), Christian Ponder (Minnesota), Seneca Wallace (Cleveland), Colt McCoy (Cleveland), Drew Brees (New Orleans), Mark Sanchez (NY Jets), Michael Vick (Philadelphia), Tarvaris Jackson (Seattle), Kellen Clemens (St. Louis), and Rex Grossman (Washington) are all 6-2 or less and all started at some point last season.
There is really a whole separate conversation about who is a "pro style" college QB and who is not. When you watch the bowl games, it seems like at least half of the quarterbacks are dual threat guys, or at least "athletic", regardless of height. There are a lot of college coaches who prefer to have a guy playing the position who might just pull it down and take off for a 50-yard TD run. Sometimes it seems like college football and the NFL are just two different games. In the NFL, you need a guy who knows where the receivers are and has the arm to get it there. There really aren't a lot if running QBs who will survive long in that league.
I think you're stretching it to say that 6-2 is on the fringe. There are too many guys who have had or still are having careers in the NFL at 6-2. Ryan Fitzpatrick (Buffalo), Andy Dalton (Cincinnatti), Tony Romo (Dallas), Matthew Stafford (Detroit), Matt Flynn (Seattle), Christian Ponder (Minnesota), Seneca Wallace (Cleveland), Colt McCoy (Cleveland), Drew Brees (New Orleans), Mark Sanchez (NY Jets), Michael Vick (Philadelphia), Tarvaris Jackson (Seattle), Kellen Clemens (St. Louis), and Rex Grossman (Washington) are all 6-2 or less and all started at some point last season.
There is really a whole separate conversation about who is a "pro style" college QB and who is not. When you watch the bowl games, it seems like at least half of the quarterbacks are dual threat guys, or at least "athletic", regardless of height. There are a lot of college coaches who prefer to have a guy playing the position who might just pull it down and take off for a 50-yard TD run. Sometimes it seems like college football and the NFL are just two different games. In the NFL, you need a guy who knows where the receivers are and has the arm to get it there. There really aren't a lot if running QBs who will survive long in that league.
Actually this whole thread should be a mute point because the fact is that Livingston did not get a D1 offer, despite going 21-1, possibly because of his 6'0 185 frame.
No need to debate......the D1 schools gave us the answer.
No need to debate......the D1 schools gave us the answer.
Thank you Cali for the Logic. The coaches have spoken.
Cali, what team are you rooting for? ELCO?...
Cali, what team are you rooting for? ELCO?...
I don't really root for a particular team (although I played for a team in NorCal). I just follow the game or jump on a bandwagon, like I did last year with RCC.
I will probably jump on ELCO's bandwagon this year. They have a good WR core coming back and always have great athletes. Plus this year have a legit athletic QB. Most importantly a pretty soft schedule. They should be 9-0 when they face Mt Sac in week 10.
(I will post part of this in another thread to continue there)
I will probably jump on ELCO's bandwagon this year. They have a good WR core coming back and always have great athletes. Plus this year have a legit athletic QB. Most importantly a pretty soft schedule. They should be 9-0 when they face Mt Sac in week 10.
(I will post part of this in another thread to continue there)
OK, Cali, so there is a huge gap between 6-0 and 6-1 in the eyes of D1 coaches, and there are several QBs who are successful in the NFL at 6-2 or less, so you don't have to be 6-3 to go D1. Livingston was good enough, you say, just unattractive to D1 scouts due to his height of 6-0 or 6-1 or whatever he is. Yes, he'd probably be a great D2 QB, or maybe even a D1 guy if given a shot. OK, great that's all good to know. What I'd like to know is whether he actually received any D2 or NAIA offers. I can see a 21-1 guy not get a D1 scholarship at 6-0, as in your argument, but if he got nothing offered at all, that would be a massive fail by the guys he won all those games for. Is it possible that this kid didn't turn down anything and was forced into a walk on situation?
I'm not sure what, if any, offers he got. I do know that D2 schools dont have the budgets as D1 schools, so mostly it helps to contact them. I can't imagine him not getting an offer from any D2 or NAIA schools if he had waited until the end of this past semester (if he contacted them). Still nothing wrong walking on at Utah, if he's happy there.
If I was him, I would contact Penn State about going there. Should be openings there.
If I was him, I would contact Penn State about going there. Should be openings there.
I have a QB that is 6'0 and was 36-3 in high school 2 Championships and lost another by a failed extra point. 40 passing TDs senior year. 9 last min comebacks in last 2 years. 5th toughest league in the nation.All everything in the state. ran a 3'9 shuttle,36vert,4'6 40. Lights out. D1 says he to small. Just the way it is. He is still growing, fighting for a position in Nor Cal. But size Matters.D1 Coaches are currently want, need, desire 6'3 and above. Their egos feel they can make a QB out of a tall kid that is average than a short kid that is great. I disagree but who cares what I think. So he will have to prove it on this next level. Hopefully he will land in the right spot. I feel JC is good for players if they can get playing time. Very few QB freshman will ever start on D1 team most will have to sit for 2 years, Most will either get frustrated and quit, Frustrated and transfer or frustrated and work harder. Being a QB is hard mentally, only 1 plays where there is 5 DBs 4 Linebackers,9 lineman, 5 receivers, and a ton of running backs. QB is like getting laid if you are not playing lower your standards.
Oldie,
That last line says it all. I'm still laughing. I think you hit the nail on the head when you said that coaches allow their own egos to convince them that they can turn an average 6-3 guy into a QB rather than take a shorter kid who already has good mechanics, nice feet, high football IQ and a record as a proven leader and winner. I've covered some combines back when coaches could still attend and the coaches would be drooling over tall kids who had bad throwing motions, slow, clumsy feet and were generally awkward athletically. Some of those guys couldn't even consistently throw a spiral and ended up getting offers from numerous major programs. I've followed their careers, and many of them never took a snap. At the same time, smaller guys who could get the ball where it needed to be and on time (and looked good doing it) would draw very little attention from most in attendance.
Someone said this earlier and I think they are right. The emergence of the recruiting services has changed the view of most football coaches. There are so many fans (and especially donors) involved in the business of who their team recruits that it has become almost impossible to take any recruit, especially a quarterback, as a long shot. Fans want the guys who these recruiting services call the best in the land. Coaches want their program to have a highly ranked recruiting class each year, as named by the recruiting services. The message is clear. Either recruit and commit who the recruiting services tell you are the best prospects or risk looking like you should be replaced. Coaches no longer keep their jobs by just winning games. They also get another chance when National Signing Day comes around. A coach who had a bad year can point to a highly ranked recruiting class and, in many cases, get a reprieve.
When I see how many of these highly ranked recruits go on to be busts, I can't help but think that most coaches make a mistake by ignoring the smaller guys who might end up the next Drew Brees, Brett Favre, Doug Flutie, Fran Tarkenton, Bart Starr, Colt McCoy, Kellen Moore, Joe Montana, etc. Knowing what we know about recruiting today, though, shorter QBs should look for their best opportunity to play and it seems that will usually require them to lower their own standards.
That last line says it all. I'm still laughing. I think you hit the nail on the head when you said that coaches allow their own egos to convince them that they can turn an average 6-3 guy into a QB rather than take a shorter kid who already has good mechanics, nice feet, high football IQ and a record as a proven leader and winner. I've covered some combines back when coaches could still attend and the coaches would be drooling over tall kids who had bad throwing motions, slow, clumsy feet and were generally awkward athletically. Some of those guys couldn't even consistently throw a spiral and ended up getting offers from numerous major programs. I've followed their careers, and many of them never took a snap. At the same time, smaller guys who could get the ball where it needed to be and on time (and looked good doing it) would draw very little attention from most in attendance.
Someone said this earlier and I think they are right. The emergence of the recruiting services has changed the view of most football coaches. There are so many fans (and especially donors) involved in the business of who their team recruits that it has become almost impossible to take any recruit, especially a quarterback, as a long shot. Fans want the guys who these recruiting services call the best in the land. Coaches want their program to have a highly ranked recruiting class each year, as named by the recruiting services. The message is clear. Either recruit and commit who the recruiting services tell you are the best prospects or risk looking like you should be replaced. Coaches no longer keep their jobs by just winning games. They also get another chance when National Signing Day comes around. A coach who had a bad year can point to a highly ranked recruiting class and, in many cases, get a reprieve.
When I see how many of these highly ranked recruits go on to be busts, I can't help but think that most coaches make a mistake by ignoring the smaller guys who might end up the next Drew Brees, Brett Favre, Doug Flutie, Fran Tarkenton, Bart Starr, Colt McCoy, Kellen Moore, Joe Montana, etc. Knowing what we know about recruiting today, though, shorter QBs should look for their best opportunity to play and it seems that will usually require them to lower their own standards.
sonof sam, Are you related to sungod888. This guy has a lot of your same names and trying to hype the kid. This is a most entertaining post:
http://www.aztecmesa.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=recruiting&action=display&thread=18747&page=1
He had a GREAT career at RCC no doubt, but he has more posts and threads about him than any juco player in history.
http://www.aztecmesa.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=recruiting&action=display&thread=18747&page=1
He had a GREAT career at RCC no doubt, but he has more posts and threads about him than any juco player in history.
RefHeckler, I don't get your high level of interest in this kid, but I have no association with any post you seem to be attributing to me on that Aztec site. I also see nowhere on this thread where I've hyped anyone, though I find this an interesting topic. To me, this is more of a discussion of similarly sized quarterbacks than the one this thread started off about.
I also see where you have posted on that other site of yours that I am sungod. That isn't true, but I don't think that is important to you. Apparently, you and the Mounties Man both have a big hard on for this kid and don't mind stooping low to get a shot on him. Sorry about whatever he did to your balls, but in the future, you can leave me out of it. I could care less about your hate campaign, but you should know that it really makes you look sad and desperate. It's guys like you that ruin sites like this, every time.
I also see where you have posted on that other site of yours that I am sungod. That isn't true, but I don't think that is important to you. Apparently, you and the Mounties Man both have a big hard on for this kid and don't mind stooping low to get a shot on him. Sorry about whatever he did to your balls, but in the future, you can leave me out of it. I could care less about your hate campaign, but you should know that it really makes you look sad and desperate. It's guys like you that ruin sites like this, every time.
JJ, I was just asking a question. You are the only one that would know so much info about your son, dalton. I really hope he goes on to have a good career at the 4 year. I just find it funny that from day one at jcfootball you pretended not to be his father. You have 2,000 posts over there to prove it.
You have turned this site into a viable visiting point. Just stop pretending and I will stop.
Cypress,texas- iphone =1:30pm
No matter who you pretend to be, you have your ip address at all these sites
BTW, sorry to hear about his ankle injury....
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You have turned this site into a viable visiting point. Just stop pretending and I will stop.
Cypress,texas- iphone =1:30pm
No matter who you pretend to be, you have your ip address at all these sites
BTW, sorry to hear about his ankle injury....
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You have a hard on for that JJ fella too, huh? I'm sure it's a great story and all, but I don't have the time. And by the way, Maxwell Smart, I'm not in Cypress, Texas.
But you did kind of get me wondering what is up, so I searched for RefHeckler and found this:
http://twitter.com/ref_heckler
Then I searched some more and found this:
http://whois.domaintools.com/jcfootballtalk.com
This appears as though you own a website where you burn this kid at the cross on a regular basis. You must be very proud. My question is that if you own and operate your own website where you do this, why are you here doing it? Is your hate of this kid really that strong? As my dad used to say, get a job.
Please leave me out of your gangbang. I'm sure you have your reasons, but I don't want any part of it, Mr. Hunt. Thanks in advance for not addressing me directly ever again. I was going to post on your website, but I think I'll find some better way to waste time.
Any opinion of whether 6-2 is too short for the NFL? No? You're just here to troll? Well, OK then.
But you did kind of get me wondering what is up, so I searched for RefHeckler and found this:
http://twitter.com/ref_heckler
Then I searched some more and found this:
http://whois.domaintools.com/jcfootballtalk.com
This appears as though you own a website where you burn this kid at the cross on a regular basis. You must be very proud. My question is that if you own and operate your own website where you do this, why are you here doing it? Is your hate of this kid really that strong? As my dad used to say, get a job.
Please leave me out of your gangbang. I'm sure you have your reasons, but I don't want any part of it, Mr. Hunt. Thanks in advance for not addressing me directly ever again. I was going to post on your website, but I think I'll find some better way to waste time.
Any opinion of whether 6-2 is too short for the NFL? No? You're just here to troll? Well, OK then.
Mr. Livingston, You already posted that info on Kev's site yesterday and he deleted it.. remember.
I also did some googling and found this site twitter DL2....has the scoop about his hurt ankle......bummer
I am sure by now someone has already warned the Utah coaches about your antics and the number of emails that you sent to Mt. sac and to the RCC coaches that were never responded too.
I do not own a website. I am a technical advisor.
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I also did some googling and found this site twitter DL2....has the scoop about his hurt ankle......bummer
I am sure by now someone has already warned the Utah coaches about your antics and the number of emails that you sent to Mt. sac and to the RCC coaches that were never responded too.
I do not own a website. I am a technical advisor.
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Yes, this Mountieman bozo began hating Dalton,his family, RCC and everyone related to RCC the second after Dalton threw an 80 yard bomb to Sadale Foster to give the Tigers a 29-26 win over Mount Sac.
Here's the proof: http://youtu.be/utJsQvGo7Ew?t=1m56s
Watch at 1:56
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Here's the proof: http://youtu.be/utJsQvGo7Ew?t=1m56s
Watch at 1:56
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Sounds like these guys won't rest with killing this kid's image.
I wonder what ref heckler will say after Shreve rips the pirates apart on September 1st.
I wonder what ref heckler will say after Shreve rips the pirates apart on September 1st.
Re: Riverside QB Tyler Shreve?
Just found this message from ElTigre..........So glad Adkins didn't start...........Now what were you saying again???
OMG you guys have been pounding your chest for a year.........and after thrashing saddleback.........only one more hurdle and that is the Mighty Sac team.........Trust me if RCC wins, I am reaching for my ear plugs...........
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Just found this message from ElTigre..........So glad Adkins didn't start...........Now what were you saying again???
OMG you guys have been pounding your chest for a year.........and after thrashing saddleback.........only one more hurdle and that is the Mighty Sac team.........Trust me if RCC wins, I am reaching for my ear plugs...........
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Re: Riverside QB Tyler Shreve?
It was a huge win for the VC program. If RCC wasn't such a power house the win wouldn't mean very much. Crafts record over the last 3 years is what? 23-3. A tremendous record no matter who you play........Now go win out and beat those Mounties.......
It was a huge win for the VC program. If RCC wasn't such a power house the win wouldn't mean very much. Crafts record over the last 3 years is what? 23-3. A tremendous record no matter who you play........Now go win out and beat those Mounties.......
Re: Riverside QB Tyler Shreve?
Refheckler.......................... you need to talk football here and keep your personal attacks about the father and son to your other site !!!! Go back there and join the rest of the haters....... mountieman and his Sac crew !!!!
Refheckler.......................... you need to talk football here and keep your personal attacks about the father and son to your other site !!!! Go back there and join the rest of the haters....... mountieman and his Sac crew !!!!
